Sunday, September 27, 2015

Who's Who: Update '87 Volume 3

sgThe Fire and Water Podcast Presents: WHO'S WHO UPDATE '87: VOLUME 3

It's the third titanic issue of WHO'S WHO UPDATE '87! Shag and Rob take a look at new and updated characters such as the Green Lantern Corps, Infinity Inc., John Constantine, Justice League, Kite-Man, Lady Blackhawk, Lex Luthor, and more! We wrap up with your Listener Feedback!

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  1. Three hours well-spent gentlemen, as always.

    To clarify on a few of your questions and comments:

    Katma Tui was (needlessly) murdered by the Carol Ferris Star Sapphire in Action Comics #601.

    My understanding is that Kite Man did not receive his “Charles Brown” identity until Hawkman v2 #4, which was also the issue where he fought Zatanna as shown in the surprint. While this was during the time when she wore the costume designed by George PĂ©rez during super-hero missions, she battled Kite Man in her stage outfit because she was performing her act at the benefit Mr. Brown was robbing. (It was also no doubt a tribute by Tony Isabella to Zatanna’s original appearance in the first volume of Hawkman [v1 #4.])

    I am surprised that the listener tribute to composite characters did not include “Super-Duper”, an amalgamated Justice League creature with Wonder Woman’s head and lasso, Batman’s torso and utility belt, Flash’s legs, Green Lantern’s arms (and ring), and Hawkman’s wings. This creature was created by an alien Pthisthinian device called the panacomputer, that was wielded by a small-time crook named Joe Parry in Justice League of America v1 #31, and was somehow recreated by T.O. Morrow in Justice League of America v1 #65. And yes, you can expect a custom-made Who's Who entry on Super-Duper by the 12th of Never...

    I am glad you liked the AquaRob entry, Rob. I am happy to make any corrections to it as you see fit. And my thanks to Shag for his time and assistance.

  2. Thanks for another great episode. Mind, I've not heard the Feedback yet!

    Shagg protesting about the 'sexualisation' of Lady Blackhawk on the cover is bloomin' hilarious, given he's making jokes about Arn Munro fingering her - 13-year-old kids can listen to this podcast too. And besides, Rob is right, it's just a Forties-style Peekaboo pose. I had a look at that proto-Lady Blackhawk story in Military Comics, and 'Sugar' sounds rather fun.

    I tweeted a pic to you lads of the first time I saw a Bolland Zinda, from a 1981 UK fanzine, I'm pretty sure he drew her a few other times before working for DC

    Good spot about the Hippolyte first appearance error, Shagg, but definitely, in the updates it should always be first post-Crisis along with first historical appearance, logic demands it. And how sad were the Greek gods that they had to create their own worshippers?

    It's incredible that 'Host' is three whole letters away from 'mort'

    Promethium first appeared not in Blue Beetle, but in New Teen Titans #9. Fascinatingly.

    I'm with Xum, surely Kite-Man was named by Tony Isabella in the Eighties? I've tweeted him! I've seen GCD entries mentioning his name as Charles Brown before Hawkman V2 #4, but I think that's just overzealous chroniclers.

    Arn Munro, yawn. Gladiator was adapted by Marvel Comics in Marvel Preview #9, under the title Man-God (to avoid confusion with the X-Men Gladiator, because readers are stupid?), it was a very sexy read from Roy Thomas and Tony DeZuniga. I'll tweet you the amazing Earl Norem cover.

    Brian Azzarello ruined John Constantine by bringing him to the US, I dived off then and didn't returns for years. Can Azzarello never write the characters without changing personalities and scenarios?

    Thank the stars Creeper wasn't in the Justice League – he is so rubbish. Just the Joker with a bad rug - literally, it's around his neck.

    Shagg is entirely correct, Rob, that Justice League entry isn't taking a swipe at Aquaman – the 'lowpoint' was the fact nobody showed up, not that Aquaman ran a version of the League.

    The Kupperberg/Lightle Doom Patrol was pretty good – then Eric Larsen came along…

    Thank you Rob for saying nice things about Swamp Thing before I move it – I love that run.

    The murder of Katma Tui was just a horrible, horrible moment. She was sliced and diced - I think it was off-panel but, like Janet Leigh in Psycho, all the nastier for it. Zamoran gem influence or not, that moment ruined Carol Ferris forever after.

    Kilg%re isn't Warlock, Warlock is him. And Kilg%re is just a new version of The Construct from JLA. Gawd, I HATE Warlock 2.

    1. And here's Tony Isabella on Kite-Man's secret ID on Twitter: 'That was my idea and one of my proudest moments in comics.'

  3. Haven't listened yet, but I'm super excited to see these episodes. I've been reading a lot of Whos Whos lately thanks to a dude with a few beat up longboxes full of '87s and 88's at a banquet hall show. Sweet!